Saturday, September 27, 2014

How far out do you work on your family trees? The sky is the limit of course but where do you stop researching? How far off your direct lineage do you go?

My two cents is I think it begins with your purpose and what interests you?  If you are still active age focused on life things like raising a family, is genealogy something you want to do as a second vocation or will it remain a hobby passion?  I think you need to do the same good effort for both but if you are thinking certification then you might want to take a peek at what is required and that might guide you in terms of things to accomplish over the long term when ready to embark on the second vocation.

As to interest what hooks you?  The thrill of the hunt, the sharing of news, documenting the line, searching long forgotten documents and images in County Offices and libraries, visiting where your ancestors walked, creating a trail of family history useful to your descendants?  Any of these things and more are great interests; if you live a long life you could be doing this stuff long after you “retire” so make sure you are enjoying what you do.  It is fair to tell others what your search mission is so they can understand your methodology and don’t be reluctant to carve it up to play towards your interests.

I like to go back as far as 8-10 generation if this is possible for each of your lines; at this writing 8 generation for me would be in the early 1700’s.  I say this is my preference because 8-10 generation matches with an above 90% probability of finding a most recent common paternal progenitor based on 111 marker DNA testing. 

If you wish to acquire membership into certain organization such as DAR or SAR then their documentation requirements will help define the extent of your searches.

In regards to how far I go off of my direct lineage I generally use a couple rules of thumb; I try to go one extra step if available to add what I might know or have found to leave a good hint for others who may wish to go further.  I often get off into a treasure trove of information purely because I started on a path and the findings are so easy for me to document and share with the assumption that someone, somewhere is searching for this exact information.  And lastly, I will find myself off on a tangent purely because it is somehow interesting or providing something new unexpected.  At some point I always come back to my main mission and now and then take stock on how well I am progressing.

In my case, I hope to find and document my Yates paternal line back to at least my migrating ancestor or beyond.  I would like to visit England (based on DNA testing) and walk in those space once filled with my ancestors.  It shapes how I go about my searching and learning.

For myself, I find I need some variety in how I do what I do.  I find myself searching and documenting, sharing through various routes, working with images when available, learning about and participating in DNA testing, visiting locations where my search indicates interim presence of my line and then I do a significant amount of learning to understand the context of the times.  As a result of not being a stellar student in my formative years this has been an important and enjoyable treat.  And lastly, I spend energy when I am connected with an unknown cousin doing searching or someone who has found some of my work helpful and we find ourselves momentarily working hard together sharing every little hint we can.  These focused moments normally have a short life but it is a connection that can be called upon over time.  I find these moments truly an unexpected and enriching benefit to all the hours spent.

I hope you can have even half the enjoyment I have already received from doing this work.

Monday, August 19, 2013

The Photo Archive

Please note that this account contains the photos that create the slideshows that have been showing on the Yatesville Connection Family Website; you can also go directly to the photo albums using this link:

Tuesday, July 10, 2012

Our Benjamin Yates born c. 1735

It is my opinion shaped by a kind of Meta analysis of available documentation that we are dealing with a Great Grandfather ancestor who migrated to Kentucky for some specific reason in circa 1780 from PA, MD or Virginia. There is no documentation of Ben Yates in Kentucky and the only documentation is him at age 90 in 1830 in Crawford County, Indiana. At this point we are leaning towards the idea that key family lineage documents may have not existed or perhaps destroyed with the British destruction of key building during the 1812-1814 eras.

Assuming reproductive practices of the era then we are absent Ben Yates’ siblings and descendants and his son John Yates’ siblings and descendants so we are unable to find perhaps as many as 25-30 Yates members of the general 25 year time period. Much work has been done by researchers to work out several key Yates lines and can be associated with documentation. Rather than seek out good documentation of new linkages the normal internet user frustratingly will make an undocumented leap of imagination to try to connect with existing lines; basically they are digging the same old hole over and over.

We believe that our line might be successfully reconstructed by collecting and sharing as many allied lines that interconnected formally or informally over the years with a member of the Yates family and can help us mine out additional families. Since 2005 I have generally used the phraseology of Yatesville History & Genealogy as well as Connectville History & Genealogy to be indicative that all possible lines, allied or otherwise connected are needed to meet our objectives. We also feel that the journey of documenting lines along the way will improve the quality of information available not only to us now but for the future via family trees on-line and other internet tools.

Friday, May 25, 2012

Chrisman, Edgar County, Illinois Centennial 1872-1972 on-line

May 25, 2012
Editor's Note

On this date in 1924 my father Carl Bernell Yates was born in the Yates family home at 101 E Lincoln Ave, Chrisman, IL 61924. His was a short life dying at age 31 working hard to support his young wife and two children. He has been dead now 57 years, almost twice as long as he lived and is buried in Woodland Cemetery.

It turns out that while my mother was born in Dana, Indiana she resided in Chrisman on Jefferson Ave. during her impressionable years in the early 1940's. Mother is also gone now but she seemed to fondly recall in later years her being part of the high-tech world by working the switchboard when it was located above the Blue Room Cafe. She also was very keen on the idea that she was courted by Carl Yates in the day.

Through these choices of others my paternal and maternal lines were already starting to tangle with one another's space, formalized by marriage in 1946. In April 1947 both mother and I apparently were equally screaming as a result of the birth process at the Paris Hospital.

While unique to our being I now realize this process had been undertaken countless times past. Perhaps you like me are now more impressed with the history of Chrisman, IL and more fully appreciate that rich and full lives filled with highs and lows have been created lived and expired in Chrisman well before we came along.

As a family genealogist now I am fascinated with how many versions there are of Chrisman, IL as each of our memories are flavored by whatever touched us while in her presence. Literally by accident I found myself arriving for a solo visitation to my father's grave on father's day a few years ago. I was overwhelmed with a fuller picture that he too started his life with the loss of a treasured parent when he was 6; then I also recalled that the loudest voice of mourning at my father's funeral was the big man sitting behind me.

This was my wonderfully human grandfather Harry Elmer Yates; I know he was mourning the loss of his son but I am very sure he was also reliving the pain of he and his older brother Arthur being required to prepare their father for burial, dig his grave and bury him during a smallpox epidemic. I am also sure he was thinking through the pain of losing his young darling Ruth Evelyn at Christmas time in 1925 and his young wife Jessie Leah in 1930.

As a result of life circumstances my mother, my sister and my half-brother lived in Chrisman for a short period and the experience was very memorable for me. This is the town where I could walk out of my apartment which was on the 2nd story of the structure next to the old Well's Mower Shop; my first stop would be to say hello to Noodles Ellis and my Grandfather Harry Yates who were working together doing blacksmith things that I recall as dirty, hot and noisy!

My next stop was a corner building (with bars over the place were you asked for things); I knew I could always ask to say hello to my "Uncle Wil" and sure enough Uncle Wilbur would deliver his face with that killer smile with a kind word. Then on to say hello to my Uncle Fred at his barber shop; he let me work for him some in the shop as his "Shoe Shine Boy." I only remember ever shinning shoes he delivered from his own closet!

Then I would stop by and poke my head in and say hello to the guys doing the typesetting for the newspaper; they were kind enough to invite me in one day and show me how they selected the type and create a master for printing. Then out to say hello to "Uncle Red Yates" at his TV shop. After a short conversation, I would make my customary stop at the used car lot where I logged considerable time sitting in one of the cars "playing driving" with sounds and all. I am sure I created a good number of laugh moments for the Mooney Automobile Team.

Then past where Aunt Barbara George Yates worked at the little Insurance Building; I think I went in once to see if I could say hello but don't recall much about it and didn't understand what they did. I know it was not as I recall as dirty, hot and noisy as the blacksmith shop. Then across the park, climb atop the bandstand and safely back home. For a little kid, it may have felt like a lifetime but it may have been all of 30 minutes.

I had my first night out by myself in Chrisman. It started with dinner at the Blue Room Cafe with breaded tenderloin sandwich, fries and a strawberry milkshake. Oh I was a big shot for sure; then I realized my Uncle Fred was playing a pinball machine likely keeping a sharp eye out for me. At least I was man enough to leave a tip and say hello to him as I left to make my next appointment; the first feature length colorized Long Ranger movie!

It was showing at the Empire Theater, admission $.15 and I remember that the man taking my ticket had a prosthetic hand with a leather glove on it. I remember that hand now in a way that I can't remember anything about the movie.

If you read the Chrisman, IL story then you likely have your own memories too; my perspective now is that whether high or low memories, we learn and grow from them and they should be cherished because they are forever part of us and are a link in the chain of history of this little town.

Respectfully submitted,

Ronald E. Yates
(Son of Carl,
Grandson of Harry E. Yates)


Sunday, May 6, 2012

John Yates, Sr & Benjamin Yates

John Yates, Sr. ca. 1760 & Benjamin Yates ca. 1735 have been recognized as located in Crawford Co., IN 1820-1830. This is a case of hidden in plain sight! The search continues!

Tuesday, March 20, 2012


(Source: Bye Lines; Compiled by Jane & Clarence Bye. 1983; ancestors and descendants of Bye family of Crawford & Harrison Co., IN; Published by: Doris Leistner;; Transcribed and reorganized by: Yates, Ronald E. 2012)

Robert Yates was, we now think, for reasons given in the previous chapter, the son of John Yates, a Revolutionary soldier from Virginia. We do not yet know who Robert's mother was.

Census records say Robert was born in Kentucky. This may be right, for Kentucky was in the process of becoming a state, separate from Virginia at the time of his birth. The first record we find of John Yates, who we think was Robert's father, being in Kentucky, was in Barren County, on the 1800 Census. Barren had been made a County May 10, 1799 and was named for the Barrens of Kentucky. It had been made from Green and Warren Counties, so a search of the 1790 Census records, or early tax records there, might show if he was there earlier and if, indeed, Robert was born in KY rather than in Virginia as so many people were who remembered being raised in Kentucky and supposed they had also been born there.

Robert was probably the oldest of his family of four boys and one girl. His being named Robert might indicate that was the name of his grandfather, as it was the custom at that time to honor a man's father by naming his first son after him rather than after himself. The second son was often named after the wife's father, and the man did not name a son after himself until the third one, unless he carried the same name as one of his son’s grandfathers.

Robert was about twenty-six when he married Mary Ann Byers December 4, 1808, in Barren County, KY. She was the daughter of John Byers. There is more about her early life in the chapter on John Byers.

The Barren Co. KY. Census of 1810 shows Robert and Mary Ann had a son between the time they were married in l803 and 1810. This was, I think, Silas. Their first daughter, Sarah Elisabeth, our ancestress who ties us into this line, was born in Barren County September 26, 1812. Two more sons were born to them after Sarah Elizabeth, probably also in Barren Co., KY; John and Tolbert, in 1812 and 1813.

The Track Book in Crawford County Courthouse, English, IN, which records early land records for the area that became Crawford County lists two pieces of land assigned to Robert Yates on February 16, 18l6. These were for 80 acres each, one for E., and one for W., 1/2 SE Sec 10 T3S R 1W. Both of these tracks of land had first been assigned to Riggs Pennington and then reassigned to Robert Yates.

At that time, Southern Indiana was still a wild, mostly unsettled area. Harrison County, which took in what would later become Crawford County, had only 1, 050 white males over 21, with a total population of the are of 6, 975, so most of those living there were women & children, in the days when families of ten, twelve, or more children were not uncommon.

Only six years before, in 1810, there had still been scattered herds of buffalo roaming in southern Indiana. In 1812, 24 people had been killed by Indians only 30 to 40 miles north of Louisville, KY. But others besides Robert evidently had hopes for the area, for in 1813 the Capital of Indiana Territory had been moved from Vincennes, in the far western part of the Territory, to Corydon, where it was more centrally located and accessible to more people.

An old trace road crossed the Ohio River at Louisville, KY known as the Clarksville and Vincennes trace. It is said that two-thirds of those who settled west of Louisville moved along this route, so Robert probably brought Mary Ann and his young children down the narrow, often only tree blazed route, between tall virgin timbers that shut out the sun. His aging parents may have come with them, and Mary Ann, perhaps pregnant again, unless Robert was a considerate man who had waited on her to give birth to their latest, child so she could carry the nursing baby on one arm while dragging a toddler with her other hand, had probably welcomed her mother-in-laws help on the long, exhausting trip with Silas, who probably though himself quite a man at six, Sarah Elizabeth, going on four, John, also about four, and Tolbert, not yet two. The baby Mary Ann may have carried could have been Ellen, sometimes called Nellie.

Bear, deer, wild turkey, squirrels, and rabbits, were abundant along the trace, so meat was no problem for Robert and other men in the party to shoot with their muzzle loading rifles for their wives to cook in iron kettles, swung over bond fires that were kept burning all night to ward off wild animals.

Did Robert have the foresight to see what Indiana was going to become, and want to have a part in that development, rather than just remaining a farmer in Kentucky? He must have made his move soon after buying his land, probably in time to put in a patch of corn between the stumps of the trees he chopped down to build a cabin, and for Mary Ann to get in her patch of "garden truck".


Know all men by these presents that we, Robt. Yates and John Boyd are held and firmly bound unto his Excellency Christopher Greenup, Esq., Govr of State of Kentucky and his successors in the sum of fifty pounds current money which payment will and truly to be made and we bind ourselves and our Heirs firmly by these presents sealed and dated this 18th day of April 1808.

The condition of this obligation is such that if there be no lawful cause to prevent a Marriage intended between the above bound Robert Yates and Mary Ann Byers for which a service has pfmd then this obligation to be void else to remain in full force. Robert Yates (signed) John Boyd (signed)

I, W. Samuel Terry, IV, attest that the above is a true and accurate copy of a marriage bond on Record in Barren County, Kentucky. Given under my hand this 16th day of July 1985. My Commission Expires June 2, 1987.

But Robert did not spend all his time in the corn field or building their cabin. He could have done that in Kentucky. Here, he circulated among his neighbors, getting to know them, and, more important, letting them know him, and that he was available for any of the appointed jobs he knew would be coming up. When the County was organized, he was commissioned by Governor Jennings as one of the first County Commissioners, a job he held for many years.

Aug 1, 1818, he served on the grand jury of a murder trial in Mount Sterling. There is no record of just how the men were selected for the jury, but it certainly wasn't by burying himself in a corn field. In addition to his farming and commissioner duties, Robert had a mill. I do not know just where his mill was, but it may have been on Little Blue River, where mills of all kinds lined the banks a few miles apart, to be accessible to the farmers who wanted corn ground into cornmeal, wheat into flour, or, later, logs split into rough lumber for flooring, doors, and such on their log cabins.

There were 306 households listed on the 1820 Census of Crawford County, with three of them being Robert, his father, John Yates, and his brother, James, who had been married in Crawford County the year before.

This 1820 Census shows Robert Yates with 2 males under 10, and 1 10-16, also 1 16-26, who may have been his brother, Benjamin, living with him. The one 10-16 would have been, we think, Silas, and the other two John and Tolbert. Robert and Mary Ann also had three females under 10 shown on the Census that year. These would have been Sarah Elizabeth; the one I think may have been Ellen, and another girl born before 1820.

Robert was still at his commissioner duties in 1822 when he and the other commissioners for the county accepted a new brick building 39 feet Iong, 33 feet wide, and two stories high used as the new County Seat building at Fredonia. The laws of Indiana said the water had to be good wherever a County Seat was located, and that at Mount Sterling, where it had been, was proven bad.

Of course then, as now, politics played a big part in decisions such as this. No one was just giving the county a large new brick building without expecting to get something out of it for themselves. In this case, the man who gave the building owned a large track of land at Fredonia, which he hoped to subdivide and sell as lots in the new town he hoped would spring up around the new county seat. In his History of Crawford County, Hays Pleasant says—

"When the court house was ready, tradition has it that the citizens of Fredonia went to Mount Sterling and removed the records, carrying them home in meal sacks. The few people who lived near Mount Sterling hated to see the records go. In fact, the county seat has been moved in most cases by force." Robert was still a Commissioner in 182^, and perhaps for longer. Roads were being built in Crawford County during the 1820’s, and to again quote Hays Pleasant—

"Another historic old road ran from near Sulphur Well to English, Union Chapel, Grantsburg and Paoli. This road ran from Rome to Paoli by Robert Yates' farm. Robert Yates, being one of the county commissioners must have used his influence for the road. Yet when the state about eighty years later built State Road 22 and State Road 16 these roads followed the old surveys fairly well: Paoli to English, Grantsburg, and Sulphur, then to Leavenworth and Tell City."

Robert and Mary Ann had two more daughters in the 1820's, Cassa, born in 1821, and Rachel in 1823. But their family soon began growing smaller as the children began marrying and leaving home. Sarah Elizabeth, our ancestress, was the first to go, when she married Samuel W. Bell August 21, 1828, when her baby sister, Rachel, was only five years old. Silas W. soon followed his sister, marrying into the same family, Samuel's much younger sister, Lavina Bell, September 10, 1829; Sarah Elizabeth lacked a month being sixteen, years old when she married Samuel, who was twenty-five or six. Her brother, Silas, was nineteen or twenty when he married Lavina, who was also sixteen, as Sarah Elizabeth was.

On the 1830 Census, Robert Yates had one son, 5-10, and two 15-20, which would have been John, and Tolbert for the older boys, and perhaps a, grandson or nephew for the younger one, for I have found no son born to them that late.

The girls shown on that Census are also very confusing. One, 15-20, may have been the daughter I have guessed as Nellie or Ellen, while the 3 at 10-15 just don't fit in anywhere. Evidently the Census taker meant them for Cassa who was nine, and Rachel, 7, and, again, the other one may have been a grandchild. With no more information than these early Census records gave, it is almost impossible to make an accurate record from them.

During the next ten years, at least two more of Robert and Mary Ann's children married. September 5th 1833, Tolbert married Jane McCraney when he was almost twenty, and Cassa, their next to youngest child, married John (Squire) Martin September 7, 1837, before she was sixteen.

The 1840 Census of Crawford County shows only two at home with Robert and Mary Ann, a male 20-30 and a female 15-20. The male is evidently John, for he was still at home with his parents on the 1850 Census when everyone in the family was named for the first time. The age bracket of 15-20 for the female fits Rachel, their youngest child, and, as she didn't marry James A. Hughes until April 12, 1847, when she was almost twenty-four years old, she was probably still at home in 1840.

So what happened to the others who have been on the earlier Census records? The one I am guessing was the Ellen sometimes called Nellie on the Benjamin Yates land settlement included in the previous chapter, didn't marry Harrison Pittman until July 9, 1848 so she may not have belonged in Robert's family after all.

All of the Yates in Crawford County remained in Union Township, including the known children of Robert. Perhaps their ties with Union Chapel Christian Church, where several of them are buried in the clean, peaceful little cemetery behind the little white church, may at least partially have accounted for their remaining there, for they probably all attended the church as children. An old church record from Union Chapel might be of a great help in straightening out the Yates family, but I have not found one.

On the 1850 Census, Robert was a farmer, 68, with 100 acres of land. He was born in KY. His wife, Maryann, 64, was born in S.C. and son John, 38, was born in KY. They were number 34 on the Census Record.

Number 35 which usually denotes living next door, shows Tolbert, wife, Jane, 7 children, with oldest daughter named Maryann. Number 36 was James A. Hughes and Rachel, while Eli and Silas, 21 and 22 were living at No. 37. Eli and Silas were both named in Benjamin Yates land settlement in 1865. Because William Yates, who we know was a son of James Yates, Robert's brother, from his death certificate, was living next door to Eli and Silas at Number 38, I believe they may have been his brothers and also sons of James.

A little way on down the road (or across the field) at Number 44, was Robert's brother, James, wife and 3 children still at home, which gives us the George mentioned in the settlement. Four doors away from James, at Number 48 was Benjamin Yates, Robert's and James' youngest brother, whose land division in 1865 in the only concrete piece of evidence we have found as to the make up of the family.

For years, the 1850 Census record of Benjamin has been misread, with all of us supposing that the Sarah Yates, 30 and Daniel Yates, 28, named in it were Benjamin's children, which we now know was not true. They were the children of his brother, John, and Sarah Swift, 80, who was also living there, was their grandmother, mother-in-law of John Yates. So Benjamin Yates was still living up to his youngest son's job of taking care of the old and homeless in his family.

Silas and Sarah Elizabeth, the two of Robert's children to marry first, into the Bell family, did not live as close to their parents as the rest of the children, but were in Union County (Township). Samuel W. Bell and Elizabeth were at Number 17 with nine children in 1850, and had yet another daughter later on that year. They named a daughter Mary Ann and a son Robert. Silas was living at Number 90 with his wife Lovina and nine children in 1850, with also a Mary Ann and Robert. Such a repetition of family names make straightening out a family very difficult sometimes.

Robert is buried in the Union Chapel, sometimes called Yates Cemetery a few miles south of English, IN. Jewell Sears, the “Crawford County Librarian” and herself a Yates descendant, sent me how to find his grave and I went right to it. I will include her directions for anyone else who may want to look on his grave himself.

Ninth Row from West
6th Entry
Jane Yates b. 1-29-1813 d. 2-25-1907
Tolbert Yates b. 11-13-1813 d. 3-14-1891
Catherine Yates Bennett d. 9-15-1863 (dt of James Yates)
Mary A. Byers Yates d. 12-5-71 (71 age; 79 yr, 10 mos, 2 days)
Robert Yates d. 9-30- I853 about 70 yrs
John W. Yates no dates [b. 7-31-1835 d. 11-14-1862]

There is also an Albert Yates, b. 13 Feb 1846 d. 20 Jul 1851; I do not know whose baby he was. [Son of Tolbert/Talbert]. There are no doubt other Yates buried there, women who we have not as yet identified, and also some in the many unmarked graves.

So we know Mary Ann outlived her husband by eighteen years. A deed signed by her and her son John shows they sold the final acreage of Robert Yates' land after his death. With so many children close by, Mary Ann may have lived from one to the other, as devoted grandmother's often did in those days, staying wherever she was needed.

When Robert's first two children married in 1828 and 29, he still had a large family at home to feed and support. The idea of keeping his children near him and Mary Ann for their old age probably had not occurred to them at that time. But when Tolbert married in 1833, for some reason Robert did not want this son to move to the other side of the township as Sarah Elizabeth and Silas had done. Perhaps

Tolbert had been a weakly lad or for some other reason was a favorite son. Two years after he and Jane were married, November 24, 1835, Robert and Mary Ann deeded him for $1.00 and "the love and affection we have for the said Tolbert Yates”, a piece of land next door to them. The deed gives the borders land but not the acreage of land in it. The 1850 Census shows Tolbert owning 500 acres of land but I have found no record of Robert acquiring more than his original 160 acres, so he must have gotten the rest of it elsewhere.
There is no record of Robert giving or selling any land to John Martin when he and Cassa were married in 1837, but as the I850 Census shows him owning 800 acres; he probably didn’t need any of his father-in-law’s small holdings.

But, on February 28th, 1848 less than a year after Rachel married James A. Hughes, Robert and Mary Ann sold him 561/2 acres for $2.00. The 1850 Census shows him owning acres, so he too acquired additional land.

On January 14, 1851, they sold, for $200 to their "son" John Yates, the only one of their children to be identified, that land not already assigned to Tolbert Yates and James A. Hughes so it appears Robert had divided his farm into thirds. Since Robert had disposed of his land before he died September 30, 1853, there is no division of land showing his heirs to help us. There may be a probate record somewhere in the English Courthouse, but as they are mostly unindexed, it is impossible to find what might be just a small slip of paper in the ceiling high metal boxes that have carefully kept hidden 150 years of Crawford County records.

Looking for John circa 1764.....

(Source: Bye Lines; Compiled by Jane & Clarence Bye. 1983; ancestors and descendants of Bye family of Crawford & Harrison Co., IN)

There have been Yates families in America since the beginning of this country. Ministers, statesmen, farmers, lawyers, soldiers, and probably a few not so notable ones, are listed among them. But so far, of the many people who have been working on this line for many years, not one has been able to hook our branch of the Yates family onto any of the other lines so that we may take it on back.

Until I found this petition to sell the Real Estate of Benjamin Yates in the Crawford County Court House, in English, Indiana, I, and many of the others, had been working with the idea that all the older Yates men who settled in Crawford County in the early l800's were brothers.

This document proves we were wrong. From this, we know that Benjamin Yates left no children as his heirs, only eight nephews, and five nieces, all of age in 1965. The nephews are named by first names only, so we may assume they were all Yates, John, Tolbert, Silas, Daniel, Eli, Silas, William, George. The nieces are given by their full names, Casa Martin, Rachel Hughes, Sarah Bell, Nellie Pilliman, and Sarah Yates.

(Sarah Bell was Sarah Elizabeth Bell, who links us with the Yates line. I believe Nellie Pilliman was Ellen Pittman, for the names Ellen and Nellie were often interchanged, and it requires only a stroke of the pen, left undone by whoever was drafting the document, to change Pilliman to Pittman.)

After the heirs that were known to the petitioner were listed, he made himself safe, in the legal way, by adding "the unknown heirs of Robert Yates, deceased, the unknown heirs of James Yates, deceased, and the unknown heirs of John Yates and the unknown heirs of John Yates, Jr. and the heirs of Casa Yates. So these, with the exception of John Yates, are the brothers and sister of Benjamin Yates, giving us, for the first time, a true Family Group Sheet, with John Yates as their father.

And now I must go back sixty-five years and give my reasons for saying John Yates was their father, other than his being named in Benjamin's settlement. These reasons do need more proof, of course, and I will welcome hearing from anyone who has such proof, whether it proves me right or wrong.

John Yates was the only Yates listed on the 1800 Barren County KY Census. Ten years later, he is listed on the 1800 Census there as John Jr., with another John Yates also listed, which, I believe, was the one called John Yates Jr. in Benjamin's settlement. Robert Yates was also listed on the 1800 Barren County Census. We know that between the 1800 and 1810 Census both John, Jr. and Robert had married in Barren County.

January 18, 1808, John, Jr. had married Polly Swift, and three months later, Robert had married Mary Ann Byers on April 21, 1808. There were other Yates married in Barren County during that

period, and others were listed on the 1810 Census there, which has caused us much confusion in the past, For now, I intend to stick to only those we now know were our direct line.

On the 1810 Barren County Census, John Yates, Sr. was listed as being over 45, with a female, probably his wife, also over 45, 2 males, 10-16 were living with him. Their ages fit James and Benjamin Yates, who we later find in Indiana, and in Benjamin's settlement.

There was also a female 16-45 in John Yates, Sr.’s house in 1810. This may have been a daughter, the Cassa Yates mentioned along with the 4 brothers in the settlement.

This 1810 Census shows both John and Robert Yates as 16-26, with wives in the same age bracket. Both men had had a son during the two years they had been married, and John also had had a daughter.

Kentucky was either getting too crowded, or the spirit of adventure was in the Yates men. February 16, 1816, Robert Yates was assigned two tracks of land of 80 acres each that had originally been assigned to Riggs Pennington. These were E 1/2 SE Sec 10. T SE R1 W and W 1/2 SE Sec T3 SR 1 W.

These 160 acres of land, assigned to Robert Yates, John's son, was in the part of Indiana Territory that would be Crawford County after Indiana became a state two years later in 1818. But in 1816, Indiana Territory was still a wild, mostly unsettled area, with steep hills covered with virgin timber and deep valleys laced with many small fast moving creeks that drained into Little Blue River, Big Blue River and eventually on south into the wide Ohio River that had carried so many settlers into the Territory from "up East." It was along these waterways that most of the early settlers built their log cabins. There will be more about this in the next chapter on Robert Yates.

From an article published in the Elizabethtown, KY News, 1816 was called the "year without a summer," not an ideal time to be making a move north with a passel of babies. "January was so mild, and February not very cold, with the exception of a few days. March was cold and boisterous during the first part; with a great freshet (flood) on the Ohio River that caused a great loss of property.

April began warm, but ended in snow and ice with temperatures more like winter than spring. In May, buds and flowers were frozen, ice formed half an inch thick, corn was killed, and the fields planted again and again until it was deemed too late for anything to mature. June was the coldest ever known in this latitude with frost, ice and snow common. Almost every green thing was killed and fruit almost all destroyed.

July had ice and frost and Indiana corn was nearly all destroyed. During August, Indiana corn was so frozen that the greater part of it was cut down and cured for fodder. Almost every green thing was destroyed. September had about two weeks of the mildest weather of the season, but after the middle of the month it became very cold and frosty and ice formed an inch thick. October had frost and ice and November, cold and blustery. December was quite mild and comfortable."

John Yates Sr. probably came to Indiana with his oldest son, Robert, for we know his younger son, James, married Mary Ervin January 7, 1819 in Crawford County, Indiana, the year after Indiana became a State. I have found no record of John Sr. owning any land in Indiana, so he probably lived on a part of the 160 acres Robert had gotten in 1816.

The 1820 Crawford County Census, the first taken in Crawford County, listed John Yates as over 45, as was his wife, for this was the oldest bracket the Census showed at that time. A male and a female, both 16 to 26 were living with him. The male could have been Benjamin, the youngest son, still at home. While we have found no record of Benjamin ever marrying, he may have, and this having been his wife, or the Cassa Yates who seems to have been John, Sr.'s daughter.

Robert Yates was on the 1820 Census, with him and his wife both listed as 16-44, and with 7 children. As we will be following Robert's life in the next chapter, I will not go into this any more here.

James Yates, married the year before in Crawford County, was on the 1820 Census with his wife and 2 children, a boy and girl under ten. They may have been twins, but as they have no bearing on the history of John Yates, Sr. being too far removed, I have not tried to trace them.

There was only one listing for a John Yates on the 1930 Crawford County Census, and that was for John, Jr. evidently, for he was listed as being 40-50, with his wife the same age, and 7 sons and three daughters.

Robert Yates was listed with his wife and 6 sons and 4 daughters. From the overabundance of children these brothers seem to have had, along with their other brothers on other Census records, and yet how few nieces and nephews show up on Benjamin's settlement in 1865. I wonder if the Census taker found the kids visiting, and perhaps living, back and forth between the homes, and listed them wherever they were found on that day, which could vary wildly from one house to the next.

John Yates, Sr. was not listed on the 1830 Census for Crawford County. This could have meant that he and his wife had both died between 1920 and 1830. It could also have meant that they had gone to Illinois with their son, James, who we know from later Census records was in Illinois about that time. A search of Illinois records might show something on this.

Benjamin Yates, the youngest son, is listed on the 1830 Census records as head of the household for the first time. A female 20-30, whose age matches with the female on John Sr.'s Census record of ten years before, is living with Benjamin. Had they stayed on in the same place when John, Sr. either died or left? The Census shows two young people, a boy 10-15 and a girl 15-20 living with Benjamin in 1830. There is as also a male 90-100 and a female 70-80 years old living there. These were too old to have been John Sr. and his wife.

Were these people all a part of Benjamin's family? Or were some of them people he was keeping for the "County”, a way of caring for orphans and elderly while being paid for it.

James Yates does not show up on the 1830 Crawford County Census, but from the 1850 Census records, which shows the birthplace of everyone, we know that he was in Illinois about that time, for a daughter was born there.

As there is no record of John, Sr. ever owning land in Crawford County, so there is no record of him ever disposing of any, or of any kind of settlement that would tell us when he died.

There is no record in the National Archives for Revolutionary Service for John Yates, but they sent me a reference to check, which was found in the Indiana State Library in Indianapolis, IN. Perhaps someday there may be more found about this.

Robert Yates and his wife and some of their children are buried in Union Chapel, sometimes called Yates, Cemetery, south of English, IN. In that Cemetery, there is a stone for John W. Yates, with no dates. Is this John, Sr.? John, Jr.? Or John W., the son of Robert?

John Sr. and his wife may be buried in the old part of the cemetery, in an unmarked grave, for this Cemetery, they tell me, was made from part of Robert Yates’ land.

In the Grantsburg Cemetery, not far away from the Yates Cemetery, other Yates members are buried. There is a stone there to "MOTHER" Yates, again with no dates. This may have been John or wife, the Mother of the Crawford County Yates, but I am afraid that is something we will never know for sure unless someone finds some old Yates Bible records hidden away in an old trunk or attic.

The Mormon Records in Salt Lake City show a Benjamin Yates as the father of John Yates, Sr. I have carried him on the Family group Sheets with a question mark, for someone else to search for, as there was no proof given on the copy of this I saw, and just putting down a name does not make it so.